A little Engine Ice info - Page 2

Hawk · 10-23-2011, 10:42 PM

I can't tell you how many guys at the track have made fun of my little 'girly' 1/4" torque wrench. Of course I've installed heli-coils and removed broken bolts/studs for a bunch of those same manly men. MOST fasteners on MOST bikes at the track are over torqued, this is really a problem with the aluminum/plastic housings found on modern motorcycles as the excess torque warps the housings and the extra torque meant to fix the leak only makes it worse.

As for the original thread topic, I wish all the sanctioning bodies would get on board with the propylene glycol coolants. I lost a $400 radiator to electrolysis a couple years ago and the manufacturer said that ANY coolant with corrosion inhibitors would have prevented the problem which is quite common on modern electronically controlled engines. Water-Wetter does NOT have any corrosion inhibiting properties to speak of (I was using it when the radiator failed) but Engine Ice (which is the only thing that goes in my track bike now) does.

Nexus · 10-24-2011, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supergirl

Been there, done that!!

Sometimes it's really the best to just walk away.. or if you are a woman, go spend some money

Can girls exert more than 7ft lbs or torque? :P

to original poster...I had Engine Ice in my track only GSXR600 and it held up well at the track and through a Chicago winter in my detached garage

jbailey · 10-24-2011, 08:05 PM

Ah, that's what i wanted to hear, no winter time issues with the product, good news, thanks!

barryc · 11-04-2011, 08:31 AM

Here you go, scroll down to the $108.00 / per half gal stuff. Paul you might want to pick up a case or two.

Read second paragraph, ??? for what its worth

http://www.evanscooling.com/products...results=Search

dcook53 · 11-04-2011, 09:17 AM

It may be a great product but it still wouldn't be allowed at some tracks since it contains Glycol (even though not ethylene glycol).

barryc · 11-04-2011, 01:25 PM

Check post again. I must be on forum probation cause I keep getting moderator must approve post note.

dcook53 · 11-04-2011, 08:20 PM

From Evans Website:
"Evans Coolant is inhibited 100% propylene glycol."
From Tally GP Raceway website:
"No glycol and/or ethyl based coolant is allowed in any bike."
Def. of Propylene Glycol:
"A cosmetic form of mineral oil found in automatic brake and hydraulic fluid, baby wipes, lotion and industrial antifreeze."
I may be wrong, but I think the intention is to disallow any glycol, ethylene or propylene so I'd call first if I were going to use it there. I can't see all the info on the their "Powersports Coolant" so maybe that one is the only one on their coolants that doesn't contain a glycol case base but I highly doubt it and that's not the product their touting for race track use and motorcycle engines.
I'm okay with the rule. I'd rather not be on track with bikes cooled by mineral oil. I have nothing against baby wipes though. I mean, there are those moments when they could come in handy to freshen up under your leathers after missing a brake marker. I'll exercise restraint and maturity and refrain from any comments about the lotion.

Like I said, I may be wrong and YMMV. I'm no chemist, I'm just here for fun.

Hawk · 11-29-2011, 02:21 AM

Don,
You are correct, if the track or organization prohibits Glycol antifreeze then the Evans is a no go. My point was that running water and water-wetter cost me a $400 custom radiator. At this point I choose to run Evans for reliability as well as safety ( I noticed a coolant smell on the straights one race weekend but saw no leaks. Closer inspection when I got home showed 6 tubes corroded at the head and seeping, a radiator failure will cause a complete loss of traction whether you are running water or Glycol), if the track says no then I stay home. Fortunately CCS and many others approve the Evans.

For what it is worth I believe the difference is that ethylene glycol is highly poisonous while propylene glycol is not (it is commonly used in RV drinking water system for winterization) so while the ethylene MUST be cleaned up (think hazmat) the propylene can be washed away.

I simply wanted to point out that water or water/water-wetter does not provide any significant corrosion protection or freeze protection and can get real expensive real quick.

Pariello · 12-06-2012, 01:16 AM

It may be an excellent item but it still wouldn't be permitted at some paths since it contains Glycerin (even though not ethylene glycol).

Pariello · 12-06-2012, 01:18 AM

I've got same Motor iin two of my motorbikes and was considering changing back again to "conventional" antifreeze for winter several weeks season. Have you used it in the last during wintertime several weeks season months? -26 would seem to be adadquate, did you have any problems with it

11-04-2011, 08:31 AM	#14
barryc Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here you go, scroll down to the $108.00 / per half gal stuff. Paul you might want to pick up a case or two. Read second paragraph, ??? for what its worth http://www.evanscooling.com/products...results=Search Last edited by barryc; 11-04-2011 at 01:20 PM.

12-06-2012, 01:16 AM	#19
Pariello Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: USA, Texas, Dallas Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It may be an excellent item but it still wouldn't be permitted at some paths since it contains Glycerin (even though not ethylene glycol). __________________ rental cars surfers paradise

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Pariello Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: USA, Texas, Dallas Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I've got same Motor iin two of my motorbikes and was considering changing back again to "conventional" antifreeze for winter several weeks season. Have you used it in the last during wintertime several weeks season months? -26 would seem to be adadquate, did you have any problems with it __________________ rental cars surfers paradise

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10-23-2011, 10:42 PM	#11
Hawk Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I can't tell you how many guys at the track have made fun of my little 'girly' 1/4" torque wrench. Of course I've installed heli-coils and removed broken bolts/studs for a bunch of those same manly men. MOST fasteners on MOST bikes at the track are over torqued, this is really a problem with the aluminum/plastic housings found on modern motorcycles as the excess torque warps the housings and the extra torque meant to fix the leak only makes it worse. As for the original thread topic, I wish all the sanctioning bodies would get on board with the propylene glycol coolants. I lost a $400 radiator to electrolysis a couple years ago and the manufacturer said that ANY coolant with corrosion inhibitors would have prevented the problem which is quite common on modern electronically controlled engines. Water-Wetter does NOT have any corrosion inhibiting properties to speak of (I was using it when the radiator failed) but Engine Ice (which is the only thing that goes in my track bike now) does.

10-24-2011, 08:05 PM	#13
jbailey Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Bryan, Ohio Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ah, that's what i wanted to hear, no winter time issues with the product, good news, thanks!

11-04-2011, 09:17 AM	#15
dcook53 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 15 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	It may be a great product but it still wouldn't be allowed at some tracks since it contains Glycol (even though not ethylene glycol).

11-04-2011, 01:25 PM	#16
barryc Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Check post again. I must be on forum probation cause I keep getting moderator must approve post note.

11-04-2011, 08:20 PM	#17
dcook53 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 15 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	From Evans Website: "Evans Coolant is inhibited 100% propylene glycol." From Tally GP Raceway website: "No glycol and/or ethyl based coolant is allowed in any bike." Def. of Propylene Glycol: "A cosmetic form of mineral oil found in automatic brake and hydraulic fluid, baby wipes, lotion and industrial antifreeze." I may be wrong, but I think the intention is to disallow any glycol, ethylene or propylene so I'd call first if I were going to use it there. I can't see all the info on the their "Powersports Coolant" so maybe that one is the only one on their coolants that doesn't contain a glycol case base but I highly doubt it and that's not the product their touting for race track use and motorcycle engines. I'm okay with the rule. I'd rather not be on track with bikes cooled by mineral oil. I have nothing against baby wipes though. I mean, there are those moments when they could come in handy to freshen up under your leathers after missing a brake marker. I'll exercise restraint and maturity and refrain from any comments about the lotion. Like I said, I may be wrong and YMMV. I'm no chemist, I'm just here for fun.

11-29-2011, 02:21 AM	#18
Hawk Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Don, You are correct, if the track or organization prohibits Glycol antifreeze then the Evans is a no go. My point was that running water and water-wetter cost me a $400 custom radiator. At this point I choose to run Evans for reliability as well as safety ( I noticed a coolant smell on the straights one race weekend but saw no leaks. Closer inspection when I got home showed 6 tubes corroded at the head and seeping, a radiator failure will cause a complete loss of traction whether you are running water or Glycol), if the track says no then I stay home. Fortunately CCS and many others approve the Evans. For what it is worth I believe the difference is that ethylene glycol is highly poisonous while propylene glycol is not (it is commonly used in RV drinking water system for winterization) so while the ethylene MUST be cleaned up (think hazmat) the propylene can be washed away. I simply wanted to point out that water or water/water-wetter does not provide any significant corrosion protection or freeze protection and can get real expensive real quick.